equal $5 trillion. that money has to come from some place else. >> i understand that. >> so he's asking us to just trust him, that that's what he's going to do. but you know, even if we trust him, there is no mathematical way, no mathematical possibility for him to come up with enough loopholes and deductions to come up with $5 trillion. it's just not possible. either he's being dishonest about his tax cut or he just doesn't get it. >> so he is lying, you think? >> i don't think he's being honest about his tax cut. i watch from the sidelines, the republican primary, and even on a cnn debate, he said we're going to lower taxes for everybody, even those at the top, even those at the top are going to get a tax cut. he said that. now he's saying no, there's no tax cut. so which is it? >> well, we shall find out, no doubt. stephanie cutter, thank you very much for joining me. >> thank you, piers. >> joining me now from the romney camp is senior campaign advisor, dan senor. how are you, dan?